M1a varget loads. This load seems to have not achieved all that the AMU expected in terms of velocity at 1000 yards. (37. 5g to 43. My limited amount of play with my milsurps shows IMR 4895 to be the most promising. Never thought about hunting with it, after mcmilland and new barrel it weighed 15lbs not lugging it around when I have a 30-06 bolt action that weighs much less. and 165 gr. May 21, 2010 · Re: 308 load for a M1A Search the fairly recent thread on what speed people are driving 175 SMKs, there are a few references there. Varget 2. ) IMR 3031, LC Match, Fed 210 Primer 168 gr. 5 gives 2560-2600 fps from an M1A with 168s, right there in the spec for M852 (2550 at 78 feet, +/- 30 fps, about = 2560-2620 fps at 10 feet). I plan to start around 43. It is good to see it around more often. 4 gr. Ideally, I would like to load Lake City brass with BLC2 powder which I have on hand but open to other options. Feb 22, 2015 · Hornady's Service Rifle section in their reloading manual gives loads for bullets from 155gr to 178gr using Varget and all of those loads were developed in a M1A rifle. So Im considering going for something new. 7gr 175gr SMK 2. 0gr Varget under a 168 SMK. Mar 22, 2013 · Anything less than this and your loads will only loosely resemble the performance of the original cartridge. Using load data posted on any forum as a reference should be taken as a rough guideline of where you may or may not see good results. This page is an attempt at providing some information as to Service Rifle hand loading for rifles like the M1 Garand and M1A (M14) service rifles. 308 , and more, and found it often had the tightest groups I’ve shot from those rifles. Match BTHP Load(s) suggestions With 4064 in . If the load is a top end load then the slight differences might be dangerous, then again maybe not, you just can't predict that without more detailed load data. Apr 30, 2022 · I use 41. Currently, 46 grains of Varget and a Nosler 165 ballistic tip shoots very good groups in my M1A. I load 42. Any 168 or 175 48grns Jul 23, 2024 · I load 168 Noslers. Oct 31, 2011 · So I have started developing a 3 gun load for run and gun type shooting out to about 600 yards. (38. 7g IMR4064. They were first printed in the 1980's and have service rifle load data only for military cases. Lapua Scenar Lapua brass CCI BR-2 primer COAL 2. It has been a lo-o-ong time since I have loaded for a military style semi auto, and I am seeking some sugestions for load data. I was going to start off with Varget 44-46 gr with 168 SMKs Lapua cases or fed GMM, with CCI BR2 primers. Mar 21, 2018 · I know this has been talked about before but couple searches came up with lot of stuff not looking for and not the right answers. of Varget for a 168 may be OK in an original '06 Garand but it is WAY over the max for 308 Win. 0308 Max C. The military also does not reuse brass. 0, and 43. Seating depth YTBD. 860 I don't have my chrono data in front of me, but the 175/178 loads ran around 2630fps, and the 155 at 2870. Jan 17, 2011 · I wouldn't be at all concerned about running a compressed load, as long as you aren't seeing any pressure signs. 9 for 2700 fps 45. 5 increments that I will test this weekend. Personally, I would also try 4895 and BLC(2) in a 20" barrel, but Varget will work fine. 3 with 168s, IMR4895/4064 should be really really closeI also had 45-46 grain loads with AA2520 but they were not as good and Oct 23, 2013 · The problem is, this new Varget load won't shoot the first 5 shots from a cold barrel this tight like my old 4064 load would. Use 175 Sierra starting loads and go from there and you will be ok. I thought maybe the gun was messed up so I put a different load through it and it functioned fined. 1 mag length AI mag) Varget 45. Hornady brass, 168eld, FGMM primer, trimmed to standard, seated around . 40. M1As were designed around 4895. 5, 42. The 6. 4 varget in Lapua case br2 primers and is on the edge of pressure has always performed at . SMK, 39. 308s, a model 88 Winchester and model 700 Remington. 5 grains 3. psi/cup 165 gr. 308, 41. 5 to 42. I put in CCI Bench rest primers. Reloading for M1A. It appears that the general consensus for gas guns is: 175-178ish grn bullets -4064 - 42+/- 1 grn -Varget - 42-43 with one claim of 45 out of a M1A Dec 17, 2010 · The 42. The data at the Nosler load data website puts the max for a 168 . Work up your loads slowly and watch for pressure signs,if you can't match M80 so what Load for accuracy and hit your target will be much more important John Apr 24, 2020 · It shoots great but is about 150fps slower than my "go to" load of 44. My new Varget load seems to be much more consistent across the temperature range. no. Oct 23, 2008 · Re: What velocities are possible in an M1A? i got 2550 w 175s in mine, w 42g of varget if i remember right. Feb 6, 2015 · To conduct a ladder test, a shooter starts at the published minimum load for a given powder in their manual and load cartridges in . If your seriously looking at Long Range with the M1A, look at Burgers 168/185 Hybrid bullets, IMR-4320 and a quick history brush up on USN long range load data for 7. 78" (I subscribe to the old theory that you need the bullet to be seated to a Mar 1, 2013 · The Sierra manual has a start load for Varget of 38. 84" COAL using SMK, 2. 810" for magazine fed loads, and anything longer should be tested for the specific rifle and With this thought in mind, loads that are just below maximum, like most factory loads, should be considered as a stopping point for these rifles. This is a very accurate load in both my Garands and 1903s. 5"/10 rds/50yd Oct 31, 2016 · 46. I’ve had great luck with both so I decided to give them both a shot. It used small rifle primers. 25 twist 24" barrel. 5 gr should do it. 100 yards iron sights. Oct 30, 2019 · Out of my Savage 10FP 24" 1:10 twist: 45. I'm going to start at 41. 8 grains of IMR 4064 as the maximum load for the 175 SMK in 308 Winchester. 0 2,726 44,500 cup 165 gr. 6 grains Varget under their 178 AMAX or BTHP. Good luck Jun 4, 2022 · I want to work up a long range load for the Berger Juggernaut 185 grain bullets. my m1a likes scenars, and a max of 46g of varget in winnie cases. 82-2. what have you all seen work with the ELD-Match bullets. This Varget load seems to prefer a 5 shot barrel warm up before groups tighten up. It's not really, originally my load; I copied it straight from a Precision Shooting article on getting a guaranteed 1Kyd supersonic load in an M14/M1A. Hodgdon lists a max of 45 grains Varget (compressed) under a 175 Sierra HPBT. match bullet on top of a load of Varget above 45 grains in a 1:11″ twist barrel. Aug 13, 2023 · Frank, Thanks for the load data. LOL LOL I wish I only used 1 powder, there is a lot going for that if calibers would cooperate more for me ! My point is merely that Varget is not the Miracle powder for M1 / M1A reloading and all too often thats the only powder people hear about. Accuracy is good and Function has been 100%. 30-caliber hunting bullets that help make the . Never load more than 52 grs of powder for a Garand unless you have a vented or ported gas plug. Filter By Filter By Powder. 0C 2731 50,600 CUP Jan 13, 2013 · The Hornady manual for . Given the high pressure, be sure you work into this load to ensure your gun can handle it. Thanks Sep 6, 2024 · BLC 2: I have found with little effort at load development ,that it is a solid m1a/M1 rifle powder. 0g of IMR-4895 seated to 2. gave up on that quick. Hornady's service rifle load book promotes Varget and the IMR-4064. Apr 20, 2008 · BTW, when I consider port location, bullet travel, and comparisons with the reported CUP measurements of port pressure with some NRA loads published back when I was starting out, QuickLOAD predicts safe M1A port pressures with Varget and RE-15 all the way up to 2600-2620 fps. 4. Jan 29, 2010 · Ok, after pouring over the internet and looking at loads, it seems lots of folks use Varget, so I got a good batch of it and loaded some up. BT's for use with varget in both the garand(30-06 and 308) and M1A(308)? I have these on hand right now so its the only powder bullet combo's i'm interested in right now. If your rifle doesn't shoot well with any reasonable Varget load you have a gun problem. As for your load, Federal cases trimmed to 2. 5 gr Varget on 150 gr Barnes TTSX, 165 Sierra GK both shoot touching hole grps at 100 yds. 308 Winchester and I am told you need to reduce that 1-2 grains or up to 10% for military brass which is thicker and generates higher pressures. 300" 46. 5 mag length AI mag) N150 45. I hope 46 grains May 10, 2023 · Hey guys, I am looking for load data for IMR3031 for both M1A (Loaded model 22" barrel) and M1 Garand, will be using Lake City brass for both and CCI #34 primers, and 150GR PPU pills: IMR3031 for 308 at Hodgdon site: Mar 20, 2008 · I'm having a hard time finding varget to load my . 800" 41. They are only safe in the rifle shown and may not be safe in yours. 810" Max case length 2. I have tried varget but needed to use it elsewhere more than M14 loads. Did not try at mag length. 5 moa and in one rifle . In general, somewhere between 41 and 43 grains of IMR 4895, IMR 4064, or RL-15 will do the trick with either 175s or 168s, using military or Lapua or newer/heavier FC cases. FWIW my loads were 48 grains of varget and 3. Read the link listed above it has allot of good information for M1A. A little interweb research revealed that it is accepted that 4895 is pretty temp sensitive. nor is bullet flight ANYTHING like the same due to air density. A range of powder grains is included for load tweaking purposes. 800" to 2. I used H335 in AR15/M16 heavy loads with very good success. 5 grains of IMR4895 under a 168 grain Nosler and found that the 41. Military loads tend to be loaded "hotter" in many cases. Feb 2, 2021 · As far as loads go I used a lot of Lake City brass 43 grains of RL15 and 175smk to 2. 5 to 40. 5g and go up to 45g Jul 12, 2010 · The Hodgdon service rifle load data shows the same load data for the 168gr SMK and the M118 bullet. Re: Loads for Semi-Auto 308 DPMS LR-308 24" Shilen barrel 1-10 twist BHGM brass trimmed to 2. EVERY ONE, without exception, period. Will try Varget, too. 0 Varget 2. Mar 30, 2018 · I prefer H4895 but your load of 4064 looks OK and I would use 43. I have listed just a few, but there are many more. You'll damage the rifle. Jul 12, 2008 · The Hornady Reloading Manual List 308 Loads for the M1A. IMR4895 is possibly a better powder. 5 CM shoots long, skinny bullets with high ballistic coefficients for a flat trajectory, and their high sectional densities and sufficient Dec 18, 2022 · The Hornady manual has M1A loading info and if one stays within those parameters you wont get into trouble. After that I have Vihtavouri N150. 810 OAL I load for the M1A and M1 in 7. 017 off the lands in a Hart 1:10 MG barrel and thats @ 100 yds. Mar 23, 2011 · I think most of you guys are pretty set in the traditional powders here, but does anyone use Varget with 168gr A-max for use in their M-14/M1A? I am looking into trying Varget in my Bush rifle. 005 Bullet: 168 gr HPBT, these are "Blemished Rounds" from Graf&Sons My plan is to shoot 5 rounds of each from my scoped Rem 700 and then 5 from my M1A at 100 yards. 5grns Varget Primer: same as above COAL: 3. I'm shooting NRA High Power. Nov 23, 2002 · I go with the same load that cowbilly posted for the 168gr Sierra MatchKing using 42. I'm assuming that a good load in the m1a for 308 should also be good in my rebarreled garand also. 005" 168 gr SMK bullets 39. FWIW: in a 20" AAC-SD, 44. While charging the first batch of test loads, I noticed the propellant load density was less than 75/80 percent. 62x51 / . 5 " barrel, running the 168 HPBT's being pushed by 42 gr and bullets being seat at . See which load groups the best and use this as my load. If I could not find IMR 4064 which all my loads now developed with, I'd grab BLC 2 immediately. My favorite right now is the Nosler Custom Competition 168, and this year they have introduced a 175 that I will give a try. 810" 2,850 FPS This load will consitently shoot 1/2 MOA groups or smaller, 1/4 MOA is typical. 7gr gave me 2640fps. Apr 18, 2010 · Re: 1000 yard M1A loads The best 1000 yard loads I ever came up with was Remington Special Brass. This load shoots sub-MOA in my rifle. 0 gr of AA 2520 is great. By Cartridge Apr 23, 2020 · I load 45. In front of 41 gr (or so) of IMR4064. OP - use a reloading manual. The two bolt guns are TRG & Rem 700 w/ 26"bbls. 3 (43. 885" COAL using VLD Jul 10, 2023 · Save your self some money, load Bisquick ** with mag primer for CMP Games. I want to use Varget to make my reloading life simpler since I already use Varget in 223. 5 grains of 3031 proved to be a real good target load. A question would be what barrel do you have. Powder is unlimited Have most common you can think of. Oddly my J load of 40. 56MM pressure Varget for years prior to using TAC and accuracy with almost absolute thermal stability were there with Varget. (FWIW, Varget in a 30-06 M1 Garand with a 168 SMK is also a good combo, again, assuming the load is kept on the mild side). 0 ( 43. For a 168 gr Match bullet, 44. 44. 323″ with a called flyer opening it up to . Dec 15, 2020 · Published "service rifle" load data is hard to find and then most of the data is for . sie spbt 165 bl-c(2) . Literally wore out my barrel using those two loads. Apr 9, 2012 · My pet load for CMP matches: 168 gr Sierra Match King or Nosler Custom Comp (I prefer the Nosler but both better than I can shoot) Varget 46. Note the Hodgdon load data is rounded off to the nearest grain and can be a bit warm. I have been enjoying the 175 SMK's but wanted to try some new offerings. I've had good results with RE15 in my 1:12 twist 20" LTR. The Ruger Presision has a short throat (100 thousandths shorter to be exact) and I'm having to bury the bullet. There are plenty of powders that work well with 168 smk. 308 Win is a compressed load. Jan 16, 2020 · I tried Varget Re15 and H4350 and agree H4350 too slow for M1A . The op rod speed is determined by gas volume and over 52 grs of powder is pushing things. Consult appropriate load manuals prior to developing your own handloads. 5. 3 for 3100 fps Oct 6, 2009 · Any advice on Load data to try out of this rifle, I have 168 and 178 Amax Bullets, 168 and 175 SMKs plus lost of hornady and bergers. Feb 7, 2021 · The 169 load was tested with 42. My load is: Lapua Brass 175 SMK or VLD (both shoot great with this load) 43. Any published loads for 308 Winchester using Garand suitable powders (H4895, IMR4895, IMR4064, Varget, etc. 30" overall length (I see recommendations for 2. 81" or 41. With the current reloading world and shortages I'm want to develop a secondary load. Here are my loads: 175gr SMK/178 AMAX 41. 62 NATO) loadings should be suitable for M1 Garand rifles that have been rechambered in the 7. 0 Varget and the nosler 168 CC I was shooting would fail to eject about 20% of the time?? Oct 7, 2020 · Hodgdon max is 46. Varget MAY exhibit less radical changes, but a -10 load AINT the same MV as a 110 degree load. 308 2. 2 grains above the "min" suggested load in the Lyman data book, is still slightly hotter than the FGMM factory loads. 015" Case Trim length 2. I use a lot of both powders in 7x57, 7 mm Mauser. 9 2,684 44,500 cup 165 gr. 0 IMR 3031: 1848 avg; 126 extreme spread; 35 std dev; 3. gun just felt like it was batterin itself. 035 off the lands. oal start chg start fps start press. The Hornady 150gr FMJ is shorter than heavier grain bullets and so it needs to be seated deeper, Hornady recommends a COAL of 2. Most of the local shops seem to carry a good supply of Hornady bullets, and would like to develop loads using the Hornady 150 gr. In terms of specific loads, the Varget charge weight runs very close to 4064 when using the same bullet-weights. 62/. Any advantages of TAC over Varget or not. 5 moa groups when I'm doing my part. 0 to 39. I have a whole book full of M1A load data. NOTE: The Sierra load manual lists 42. I have sierra manual and Lee manual. Any help will be Mar 14, 2012 · Thanks for sharing that information oldpapps. NRA load data based on velocity (uses military cases) (From 1981) Oct 30, 2004 · My match load that I use is this: 48 grs IMR 4895, L. 1000 yards is stretching the limits of the M1A a bit. Feb 22, 2014 · Just ordered some 178 ELD Match bullets to try out. 308 Match Loads Effective out to 200 and 300 Meters The primary (accuracy) powder charge for each load is noted below. 308" 2. I usually use IMR 4895, IMR 4064, IMR 3031 and Varget. Jan 29, 2010 · Good luck. Same exact load= 168 smk w/ 46 gr I began reloading the . 308 loads section. The only thing I have found out is TAC is a spherical powder and should measure better. match. 308 is 49 grains of W748 with a 165 grain Hornady SST that averages 2900 fps and holds 1" groups at 200 yards. Spent shell remains in chamber, and it is cold to the touch. Aug 16, 2023 · I use Varget and 4064 almost interchangeably. 25 moa was a group I saw plenty of! Feb 21, 2013 · The early XM118 MATCH cartridge used WC 846 in '63. 70" and in my opinion I'd recommend going no longer than 2. A good rule of thumb is Varget is as slow a powder as you want to use and even Varget is questionable. 7 for 3000 fps 50. 7 for the Sierra 168 SMK. Feb 27, 2013 · Remember that Uncle Sam measured there ammo at 78ft so there listed M/V is a little misleading. This is out of a Remington 5r Milspec, 11. When I can't find A4064 load data, I start with IMR-4320 load data for loading A4064. BAR TTSX BT Hodgdon Varget . custom comp. When in doubt, call the powder manufacturer for load data. 0 Varget with the 200 grn. 30 for the 168's 3. But, I am looking for flexibility in various powder usage, and this is one I use for Jan 25, 2018 · 175 HPBT @ 41. Reloder 15 is on the edge, as are powders such as Reloder 16, N140 and N150. FMJBT and the Hornady 168 BTHP. 8, 43. 5, 43. Apr 14, 2011 · Re: 168 gr. Basically powders from IMR3031's range to Varget and bullets weighing from 110-175grs is the norm. May 25, 2005 · I'm in the process of trying to find a back up load for my 308's. been awhile, and im not near my data, dont remember the velocities Jun 9, 2006 · The ONLY powders I have ever used for my M1A has been IMR 4064, and IMR 4895, with my favorite being the IMR 4064. Rifle 1 is a Springfield M1A Super Match; rifle 2 is a standard M1A upgraded with a National Match barrel, trigger and flash suppressor by the Springfield custom shop. May 7, 2009 · DO NOT use H414 in an M1A. I checked the charge weight again just to be sure I’d adjusted the measure correctly. Oct 31, 2010 · Hey, I am working up some loads for an M1A. should do it in Lapua Brass and a Fed 210 M primer. Pistol. Please note this a hot load that I only shoot out of my Kimber Montana. 0g of Win-748 seated to 2. 62 NATO round. Hodgdon CFE223 is a relatively new powder and I have not tried it in the . I currently have on hand a decent quantity of W748 Feb 10, 2011 · M14 M1A Forum. Loads 1 and 3 each had a called flier. Match cases, CCI-BR2 primer, 155 gr Nosler custom competition bullet, OAL 3. Chrono some loads with just 40deg different. I understand that reloading manuals have upper limits on charge weight for liability reasons amongst other things. Apr 5, 2013 · When loading A4064, I find it to be pretty much the same as IMR-4320, which is also a short cut powder. say 60 in the AM and 100 in the PM, and see what the diff in loads is. Both have a perfect burn rate for the gas system of an M1A. 5gr of Varget 168 Hornady 168 HPBT 2. They're all there. Ammunition. 7gr Varget under a 168 Amax/ELD without pressure issues in factory 700 chambers. Load 3, group 1, had four rounds . As far as having an M14/M1A forum I don't really care. I am using varget powder,winchester brass, and winchester primers. 5grs 2. 7 grains Varget with a 175 HPBT, Hornady lists a max of 40. I have had a hard time lately finding Varget in the 8 lbs jugs. 7 Varget 2. 0, 42. Late '70s thru the early '80s, the group I shot with all used Sierra 168gr. It is a tack driver in my 1952 all matching Springfield. Others used IMR 4895. 3. Jul 13, 2013 · Powder: Varget Primer: CCI LRP COAL: 2. Some folks here like it for other rifles as well. RE15, 44. 279″ with a called flyer opening it up to . The later M118 MATCH cartridge was loaded with IMR 4895. 308) Powder is Varget Primers are WLR Bullets are SMK 175 We’d like a chamber pressure of Dec 28, 2021 · Control load w/ same rifle: Factory Federal Gold Medal Match 175 SMK ammo: Avg 2639 fps ES 49 SD 13 Federal brass w/ federal match primer So in my 24" barrel the velocity was about 30 fps faster than your load in a 22" M1A barrel. Jun 18, 2015 · This is a clone load of Caliber . In the "old days", I ran 49 grains of 4064 with 150 gr. Personally, I wouldn't go above 42. 820") - you will get much higher pressure by virtue of the longish 169 SMK bullet protruding farther down into the case and into the powder column. Marked NM on the bbl. I ran as high as 45. Sierra, Hornady, Swift, Nosler and Speer each offer an extensive line of . Nov 13, 2017 · What is too slow? According to Zediker, IMR 4064 is the slowest suitable powder; Varget is too slow. But when the factory MK 262 MOD 1 cartridge became widely available, we found it was almost 150FPS faster than our Varget load due to the non-canister spherical double based propellant used. Feb 28, 2013 · M1A Super Match 22" 1-10 6 groove Douglas 174 FMJBT 40. 0 2520 41,200 CUP 46. 83 COAL Another sweet load, some say Varget is too slow too be safe in the M1A. psi/cup max chg max fps max press. It was 41. Nov 15, 2014 · Of those 8208 and Varget are my pick for accuracy loads regardless of bullet weight. Feb 1, 2014 · 31. Mar 12, 2013 · varget and 308 loads Look in the . . Rifle. Nov 19, 2009 · I don't have an M1A, but I do load for a couple of M1 Garands. Oct 9, 2021 · Forum member Burnt Nitrates has posted some impressive targets w/ Varget out of his M1A. Looking at my Hornady manual for the M1 Garand specific loads, Varget is listed across th board, so I went modest, and here is my load, 45. You as a handloader have control over that. Jan 21, 2018 · 175 HPBT @ 41. 168 GR. 800" 42. 1 for 2900 fps 48. The highest velocity load is not necessarily the most precise. l. INTL over WW748 in the NM M14/M1A rifles. Nov 23, 2005 · The M1A came last, as I had about a dozen experimental loads to run. of Varget 155 gr. 308 Win. 5 and 42. 0C 2737 60,000 PSI 168 GR. Still shooting 8 pound Kegs of IMR4894 and 4064. Lots of good info here and I think I'm going to revisit my load development with 4064 as it seems to be Jun 22, 2024 · Go to Hodgdon Reloading Guide for latest information on most M1A loads. 0 2514 46,100 PSI 45. starting loads maximum loads bullet weight powder dia. 270" to duplicate the Hornady Match load. Nov 25, 2005 · We’re trying to locate a good load, with minimal vertical stringing at 600 meters that won’t beat the rifles to death. 5 gr. 4gr Varget gave me 2550fps and 45. 308" 3. The NRA published a few books that I think may still be available. Accuracy shown for each load represents an average of three, five-shot groups at 100 yards. I'm currently using this rifle and load for mid and long range F T/R. upped the charge a wee bit more and lost accuracy and velocity. Oct 30, 2004 · Does any body have a range for Varget with 155 gr. I couldnt find enough brass to keep it going. Yes, the Taylor Swift of Powder is Varget which like the vegamatic does it all. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Varget . 44gr Varget in Hornady match brass very good but too HOT! Loads safe in my rifle, suggest you load by manufactures data (my loads are above recommended Maximum and I cannot guarantee their safety, so beware!Tested yesterday, 55 degrees, 43. 74 Varget Win LRP Nov 6, 2011 · I'm a newby rifle reloader currently playing with Varget, IMR 4064 and IMR 4895 for 30-06 in a Garand and 2 Springfld 03's. Muzzleloader Standard Subsonic Reduced Recoil. 810 175 SMK 44. 308 Winchester versatile. 0gr with #34 primers. 5 of varget instead of BLC2 and bump it to 43gr of Varget for the 175gr SMK. 4gr AR-Comp Winchester/LC Brass Tula LRP 185gr Berger VLD 44. Load 1, group 2, had four rounds . Here's a 2018 post and his rather memorable Dirty Bird target (w/ a 'verifier') at 100 yds: "M1A ser. Also, Varget meters good and is easy to weigh out by hand as well. I stick with the 168-grain bullet. 308 M1A rifle I use them as my 'last load' bullet in my brass on it's 10th or so reload They do seem to shoot very well and I used to load them with thrown loads of 42grs of WW748 using #34 primers but since I bought an 8lb jug of Shooters World Match Rifle powder it has now taken it's place as my last load powder charge again @ 42. Apr 16, 2013 · Snakepit, I cannot speak for IMR 3031, but if your friend can get hold of either IMR 4895 or even RE15, they've proven to be the best replacement for Varget in my . Apr 25, 2012 · The old hard cover Hodgdon manual has service rifle load data. 26" barrel, 1:10 bolt gun Lapua brass, new Federal match primers Sierra 175gr HPBT Varget Dec 29, 2003 · Re: 4895 vs varget pros and cons I had a great IMR 4895 load for the 308 but I found that when it got cold my groups got pretty big. So far RL-15 and IMR-4895 work pretty darn well. Cartridge Overall Length (COAL or OAL), per spec, is 2. I am looking for some loads for some 147-155 and 168 I have loaded some 147g HPBT with 42. 3 grain increments to the maximum. 30-06 (garand) All loads are HXP, RP or Win brass, full length sized using book length for bullets and CCI LR primers. I'd Mar 26, 2016 · It would be great if we could get a condensed version of the loads in a break down of whether the loads are for bolt or gas guns(I have noticed that the gun type is missing from some of the load data). 62x51mm NATO has a lower chamber pressure than . The Hodgdon data gives data for both military cases and commercial Winchester cases. 9g Varget very good in my AI/AT. C. 308 Winchester Match Loads in Springfield M1A Rifles: Warning! Rifle 1 is a Springfield M1A Super Match; rifle 2 is a standard M1A upgraded with a National Match barrel, trigger and flash suppressor by the Springfield custom shop. 7 gr. 4gr of IMR-4064, which probably brings it back up to an equivalent velocity. Whatta Hobby! H4895 IMR-8208 Norma 201 Norma 202 VIHT N135 VHT N140 Ramshot TAC Jul 18, 2020 · If you look at the Hodgdon reloading website data, the max load for a 168 gr bullet in . Will be using a scoped Springfield NM M1A rifle and looking for accurate loads to 250-300 yds. Jan 18, 2022 · However, Hornady prints the load data for its highly accurate factory loads on the boxes so that reloaders can duplicate the load at home, and hunters and target shooters alike dote on the round. 775″. 5 H4895. A forum community dedicated to M14 and M1A Rifle owners and enthusiasts Dec 13, 2010 · Here are loads I have use with them that worked, loads long, to fit in an AI mag, you have to reduce it as the pressure starts getting there quick. Dec 9, 2011 · I took my newly purchased M1A Match Rifle out to the range the other day and was running loads at 41. SMK's. I have H4895, IMR 4895, IMR 4064 and Varget. You can go a little slower like Varget or IMR4064, but that about it. Sierra game kings in my . Shoot the ELD-X with the same charge, and work up. Select the "Get Load Data" button to view results. 43. Hard on the rifle. 334 and I use a Lee Factory Crimp Die on all loads. 80 Case: Twice fired Lake City, Trimmed to 2. 29" or less, but this runs fine for me) CCI #200 primers I will use either HXP or Lapua brass Seems to run a little smoother than HXP (Greek surplus) M2 Ball ammo, definitely more accurate I am having trouble finding established load data for the 178gr ELD-X bullet for my . Varget? Jump to Latest 13K views Sep 18, 2016 · . 1 and 43. I plan on building an M1A this winter. The rounds I went to test today were: Hornady 150gr FMJ w/Cann Hornady 308 Match Brass OAL - 2. 41. 2 as max. 4. 308 and using 168gr. 000 CCI BR-2 Primers Varget 44. Just FYI This load, although just 0. But I will throw in what I used for over 30 years, LC or Winchester Brass, Fed Match Primers. NOTE: While the below listed loading tables clearly show a wide range of powders for M1A / M14 load date due to the operation and speed of the rifle action some powders work much better than others. 1/2 MOA in an upgraded M1A Well below Max Load, but Use at your own risk - or start out with a little less powder and work up. My barrel with 42. Each cartridge is fired at the same target, typically 200 or 300 yards away, and the impact of each round recorded (serious long range competitors will conduct ladder tests at the Sep 2, 2019 · . Jul 23, 2024 · I load 168 Noslers. Most people complain that Hornady uses light loads in their manual and yet they list a 168gr load using Varget that produces a muzzle velocity of about 2600 fps, that doesn't Jan 11, 2016 · A 5-shot group for each load during the initial work up seems like the best bet. 39. 4gr Varget Winchester Brass Tula SRP I have shot my best scores at 600yards and 1,000yards with these loadsall iron sight in prone matches. I'll be loading Lapua brass with Federal Match primers. 0108xx. Nov 25, 2018 · Maybe when the ice and snow melts it's time for me to revisit Varget. Dec 7, 2015 · I am not doubting that you did it, but 44 grains of Varget underneath a 175 Sierra is a s&*t hot load for an M1A. Apr 4, 2023 · Varget is a tried-and-true, versatile stick power and highlighted in our Basic Rifle Reloading series. Nov 18, 2014 · BLC-2 isn't the best choice of powders but it's been used for many years by high powder competition shooters so it obviously works. 223 , . 8 2,718 44,200 cup 47. Load: 42. 4gr Varget under a 168 Amax/ELD is a clone load for factory 168gr TAP. Primer was a Remington 9-1/2 Standard LRP and cases were 1x fired and full-length Aug 18, 2014 · The load I shoot in my . Shotgun. i usually load 45 in the m1a. Have not got a chance to stretch them out yet but I'm sure they will do good at distance with the velocities. Enjoy the load data, Phil. 2" with 155 noslers, 46. Tried 37gr IMR 4064 and 120 gr Sierra MK and bingo got slightly under 1 moa accuracy with a couple groups a little better than that. That my Jul 22, 2024 · I load light at 42gr varget for all bullets when I use it from 125-169 and it shoots well. 810 178 Hornady BTHP 43. 5 for 2800 fps 47. 1 gr NOTE: While the below listed loading tables clearly show a wide range of powders for M1A / M14 load date due to the operation and speed of the rifle action some powders work much better than others. I’ve used it for 6GT , 6 Dasher , . 830 155 Lapua Scenar 46. I load for accuracy and reasonable power. To Load or Not to Load. This is a max load, it will flatten primers, but is accurate in my experience. Proceed with caution, the last shot of the 44. 42-45 is the spread, depending on chamber and seating depth. All with BHA brass/CCI BR primer 168 SMK 45. 2 grains 2600 fps Just looked up my data for the M1A, my loads are 45 of IMR4064 & 150gr for hunting and 45 of IMR 4064 w/ 155AMAX for targets. That powder is waaaaaaaaaaaay to slow. 5 gr of AA 2520. 30 Match that everyone likes, what more can you say it just works. 0gr Varget, cases full sized, primer pockets uniformed, trimmed to length, CCI #34 primers, bullets are Dec 8, 2011 · I have . Hornady, sierra, Speer (under Gold Dot Rife section),and Zediker's Handloading for Competition address the gas gun loads and limits. Any 168 or 175 46. 5 and 3. O. All of them have done as well as my old Varget load of 44. Mar 31, 2020 · Varget is arguably the slowest burn rate powder one could use in an M1A, and as such the loads need to be kept on the mild side. Apr 4, 2018 · Initial attempts to achieve supersonic performance at 1000 yards revolved around the Berger 155 gr. I have loaded a ladder with 2000MR starting at 44 going o 48 in . 0g of BL-C Apr 5, 2017 · No doubt, but New School Match-grade handloaders use Varget. 005" Best results with Viht n-140, viht n150, good results with RL-15 and Varget. 5 grs of VARGET behind a 168 gr A-Max, COAL 3. My rifle does NOT like the classic 311284 bullet in any load yet tried, as witness below: 311284 (WW, water-dropped, . 308 scheduled for delivery end of this month (fat chance). Feb 26, 2013 · Load Development I used Varget and chose three charge weights, 42. This is the most accurate load I have found for my rifle and it gets the job done. 500 moa at 300 yards. Chrno at 2810fps on Barnes 150. In the M1 and M14/M1A rifles, the cases should become suspect after just three or four firings. The NRA data does show a difference in loading the 168gr SMK and the M118 bullets. 0 gr RL 15 with 165 gr GK for M1A also touching hole. Apr 24, 2020 · This is a hot load, so approach with caution 175 SMK, Lapua brass, 45. I drop and trickle all loads up to spec which shoots 1 moa all day in my Garand ( 1. 7 grains VARGET w/ CCI-BR2 primers. 8 COAL CCI 200 primers Issue: After firing the round the action will not cycle. Dec 16, 2009 · If you use IMR-4895-4064-4320 powders and use medium loads targeting 2700 to 2800 fps for 150 to 168 gr bullets, you will have safe loads for your op rod. 5gr Varget. Refer to your load data book for how much to use with whatever bullet you choose. sie spbt 165 varget . Jun 16, 2021 · My Rem 700 sendero load using single load 155 Berger vld uses 46. 9g Varget , shoots bugholes at 100yds. Have some <1" 200 yd 5-rd groups to show for it. Compressed loads with varget tend to run great for me, just work up with caution. 308 Win brass, and adds about . 857″. 6 grains of Varget under a 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet. The 42 gr IMR 4895 seemed light in my military rifles compared to 44 Varget in the 150 fmj bullets. Accurate discontinued A3100, which was similar to IMR-4831, but they still make A4350. These load within 3 gn of each other. Judging by the Oct 17, 2014 · Loads I used on a Savage 10 with a 1/10 24" barrel. 62mm. So new rifle in 308 and get to start the ladder load process all over. L 2. Dec 6, 2016 · The obvious choices were IMR 4064 and Varget. 800", most loaders use 2. I find this rather concerning when a tactical setup like mine really should be at its best for at least the first 2 shots. Aug 3, 2003 · Anyone have any experience using the following experience using the following components: FC cases, Sierra 168 gr HPBT bullets, H4895 powder, and either Winchester or CCI LR primers. Sometimes, with certain bullet weights, you can find a balance of gas port pressure and velocity that are decent, but usually results in reducing loads to reduce chamber pressure and the resulting gas often results in maintaining decent velocity, but different from other powders loaded to factory ammo Jan 3, 2010 · I use 46. Favorite for the 150 FMJ is 47. Winchester cases and Federal 210M primers were used in all loads. Compressed loads, but they shot groups that went . 5 grns of 4895 and the older 180 grn SMKs. I say BS its much closer too IMR-4064 than many are ever going too admit, and its cut shorter so its easier too meter than IMR-4064 is. When I go to the Hodgdon site it shows. 5 in my M1a ) using Hornady 150 fmj or 125 gr Mk 319 OTM bullets lightly crimped in the cannelure with Remington or CCI primers. It's not temperature sensitive and meters better than the IMR-4895, which is the Old-School standard. 4 Varget for my most accurate load (. Powders such as 4320 and Reloder 17 cross the tipping point and should not be used. 0 grains in an M1A with I-4064 and a 175 BTHP bullet. ) IMR 4895, LC Match, Fed 210 Primer While the gages are a good idea for any reloading, they are a necessity for the service rifles. 780 147g HPBT with 46. I have not tried 748. 34 for the 175's This is the current Hornaday Match load with the 168 A-Max bullet issued for the Eastern/Western and Camp Perry Garand Matches. 308 Win at 103% load density for Varget Apr 26, 2011 · IMR-4895 for 110 Grain Bullet directly from Hornady 7th Edition. 311299 has been my cast M1a load for some time. All shooting was prone on bags with a Vortex 4X scope at 200 yards with a 2" orange aiming dot centered on a MR-52 target face (600 reduced to 200). Excellent power. I've used these loads out to 600y with great success :lol: Nov 29, 2011 · I've only shot my Supermatch M1A at 600yards and 1,000yards. I compared these two loads at 500 yards and the 4064 load was about 2 MOA lower than my POI with the Varget load, both being equally accurate at that range. 0 Varget (1moa) in windy conditions. Dave Emary of Hornady posted the data on the CMP forums. 90% of M1A shooters use IMR-4895 or 4064. Sep 21, 2021 · The medium burn rate propellants I used included Hodgdon Varget, IMR 4895, Accurate 2495 and 2520, Ramshot TAC, Alliant AR-Comp, and VihtaVuori N540. Mar 6, 2022 · Hornady 11 Manual lists 178 ELD-X under . Bought some Varget at Powder Valley earlier this year. Does anyone have any load info that works good for them. Sep 29, 2004 · The best load in my M1A is 43gr Varget with 155gr Amax bullets. This may be a compressed load in military brass, I like civilian brass better. 1 grain load required a mallet to open the bolt! Oct 24, 2011 · The only "clone" load I have done with a long range bullet in my SA M1A was supposed to be the load used for the newer loading of M118LR. Jun 1, 2012 · 45 grains of varget with a 150 is a very hot load. 780 147g HPBT with 43. 308 Winchester, and in Service Rifle, it lists 178 ELD-M - Varget loads for both. According to several web sites, including this one, Reloader 15 was once used for the M118LR but they changed to IMR4064. Dec 17, 2023 · If you load the 169 SMK to the same overall length as a 168 SMK for M1A magazine length (approx 2. 'My' 42. This gives me 2730 fps and consistent . 308, 25. Mar 23, 2014 · Springfield M1A "loaded Load: LC brass 43. Emary disagrees, saying IMR 4064 and Varget have basically identical burn rates. of 4064 and work my way up to see what shoots best. I have a smidge of Varget left and it is great stuff, I just quit chasing it when I couldn’t reliably get it for a normal price. 2gr IMR-4064 load was specifically developed to deliver the 175SMK supersonic at 1000yd from the standard M1A/M14. Like 3 MOA. WARNING: The loads shown are for informational purposes only. All these loads have been pretty accurate at maximum sub MOA at 100. ) will be fine. 168 gr. 0 gr. 75 moa) and 43. 308 sps varmint 1/12 twist. Something of interest with the Varget is in for example the Hornady 9th edition in the service rifle loads where they used a M1A only Varget and H4895 get the velocity up to 2600 FPS, all the other powders are max loads at 2500 FPS. 0g of IMR-4064 seated to 2. I generally use Varget but I wouldn’t mind seeing 4064 as well even though i should get a higher FPS with the Varget. 5 Grns of 4895 pushing either a 168 SMKs (or 175 SMKs for 1000 yard Service Rifle Matches). 5 Varget, CCI 34 primers, and LC 91 brass. . Jan 22, 2016 · Recently purchased a new Springfield M1A Nat'l. Anything else I should Aug 26, 2009 · Varget - 43. Good Luck Jerry Jan 11, 2008 · SMK over 5. Jul 15, 2022 · Compared to similar powders, I find Varget makes quite a bit of gas port pressure in 308. The rifles being used are the M14SSR type Brass is M118 (7. 16 years ago and have developed a pet load using 45. 2 grains is my current pet load with Federal brass and 168 HPBT pills. The NRA load data uses only military cases. Lapua case and Jul 19, 2009 · probably will be very dissapointed. Load 1, group 1, had round #2 go way left for some reason as well. In spite of all the hard work that goes into its preparation, case life can be brutally short in service rifles. The 308 Winchester (7. 5 gave me the best sub MOA groups at 100 yards iron sights. So the bergers 155 probably will never shoot in that gun. 0 2,608 41,200 cup 47. I shot some loads using TAC this past weekend with good results. 308 winchester service rifle (M1A/M14) Bullet dia. Sep 7, 2015 · You could mix the 155 matchking and nosler together and probably never notice the difference especially in a Garand or M1A with iron sights. 2gr load uses the slightly roomier commercial Remington . 5 grs H4895 wtd, lot 4501 LC 45 grains of Varget and the 175 grain SMK is a nice load. 308. 311" sizing, felix lube) ALL WITH DACRON 28. 308, so even "near max" loads approaching 60k PSI are overpressure for a military style gas gun. I currently run Varget with 175 SMK's with either Lapua or Federal Brass as my go to load. Current load: 175 SMK, Win Brass, CCI BR2/200, 45g of Varget. Front bag and a small rear shot bag. Oct 23, 2008 · Another thing about an M1A/AR-10 etc is that technically 7. 0 long loaded. I have an LMT MWS in . Apr 26, 2020 · Lapua Palma brass, CCI SRMag primer 43. 308 Anyone have a min and max load from Hornady in the 10th edition or elsewhere? I’m using 9th and nothing. There are many loads that work well for across the course(200-600yds). Sierra lists a max of 41. 9 gr of Varget, Fed 210m primers. First suggestion is to use sierra 168 match kings. Say about 44-45 gr. But just trying shortcut to get a deer hunting load worked up real quick. Others do use RL-15 and Varget with good results. gnkk nhyald xxffaiz qgdwk yewir rziqsp mlmdp vewoj fmovnc emusik .